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Unwitting Christians and Other Anomalous Creatures
2004.12.11 (Sat) 13:23
After reading various posts from Pharyngula and God is for Suckers over the past few weeks, we became ever so confused. A post on God is for Suckers pointed out this collection of polls about religion, so we checked it out. There were a few tidbits of hope, a lot of things to sigh about, and a few things that flat out amazed us. We thought we were beyond being amazed by these types of polls, but apparently we were wrong.
Let's take a look at some of the poll results...
Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Dec. 2-3, 2004. N=1,009 adults nationwide.
"Now I have a few questions about the Bible. Do you believe that every word of the Bible is literally accurate -- that the events it describes actually happened, or not?"
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Yes, I Believe |
I Do Not Believe |
I Am Unsure |
All Respondents |
55% |
38% |
7% |
% Evangelical Protestants |
83% |
12% |
5% |
% Other Protestants |
47% |
48% |
5% |
% Catholics |
45% |
46% |
9% |
Yes, we've seen the roughly 55% number before for literal belief in the bible. It is disheartening, but it isn't news to us. We were a little shocked to see Catholics coming in so high on this one, but it is what it is. This poll did reinforce for us that it is a relatively small group of Evangelicals that are causing most of the problems these days. Again, nothing new here.
Let's keep looking. The following statistics are from the same Newsweek poll:
"Do you think Jesus Christ was God or the Son of God, or another religious leader like Mohammed or Buddha?"
|
Son of God |
Religious Leader |
Other or Neither |
I Am Unsure |
There Was No Jesus |
All Respondents |
82% |
6% |
2% |
7% |
3% |
% Christians |
91% |
3% |
1% |
4% |
1% |
% Non-Christians |
35% |
22% |
12% |
19% |
12% |
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"Do you believe the story of Christmas -- that is, the Virgin birth, the angelic proclamation to the shepherds, the Star of Bethlehem, and the Wise Men from the East -- is historically accurate, OR is a theological story written to affirm faith in Jesus Christ?"
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Historically Accurate |
Theological Story |
Unsure |
All Respondents |
67% |
24% |
9% |
% Christians |
75% |
17% |
8% |
% Non-Christians |
24% |
59% |
17% |
Wait, what? As before, the numbers for all respondants and for Christians are not shocking here. However, the results for those who claim to be Non-Christians are quite shocking. 35% of those who profess themselves to be Non-Christians claim to believe that Jesus was the son of God? Hello. Newsflash, people — if you believe that Jesus was the son of God, then you are a Christian. That is basically the definition of being a Christian. What the hell do you think you are if not a Christian? We can't even fathom this...
To add to this shock, 24% of these "Non-Christians" also believe in the story of Christmas, à la Linus in "A Charlie Brown Christmas", complete with the virgin birth, the manger, the wise men, the myrrh, the star, the angels, the shepherds — all of it!! If you believe this tale is literal truth, then YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN — go find yourself a crucifix.
How the holy hell can anyone believe that Jesus was the son of God, born to Mary, the virgin, and that a star guided wise men, bearing gifts, to see him, accompanied by a heavenly host singing hallelujah, and not consider themselves to be a Christian?! If you did believe this, then to you wouldn't not considering yourself a Christian be tantamount to taking a ticket at the deli counter of Hell? In your mind, you'd just be waiting in line to take your turn at eternal damnation. It just makes no sense. Unless masochism and self-hatred are even more rampant than we thought.
The polls go on to show that most people favor a healthy mix of religion and government, but only when that religion is Christianity. So, they favor display of the Ten Commandments on government property, and "In God We Trust" on money, and tax money funding Christian charities, but they come out against displaying the Koran on government property, and tax money funding Islamic charities. As we've said before, whenever someone from the Religious Right talks about "faith-based initiatives," what they really mean is Christian initiatives. After all, those other religions are silly at best, and eville at worst. Right?
So what conclusions can we draw from these figures? Quite frankly, the only rational answer that we can come up with when we see statistics like this is that the people who gave these strange and confusing answers are complete and utter morons.
A while back, PZ Meyers over on Pharyngula was talking about an open letter he received when he was upset over similarly disheartening religious poll results. The person who wrote the letter, Timothy Burke, had several other points to make concerning the poll results that we'd like to touch on. Burke talks about reasons other than mass stupidity to explain the beliefs that these polls seem to indicate, and he makes some good points. But we think he's being too kind. To us, the bottom line has to be stupidity, lack of education, or both. Burke also tries to soften the impact of the numbers a little with the opening paragraph of his letter, which is:
...surveys of this kind are complicated by the fact that some respondents try to give the answer that they think they're supposed to give, rather than the thing they actually believe (and complicated further still by the fact that many people believe in contradictory things and feel no need to resolve the contradiction)...
However, rather than the intended effect of making the statistics seem less horrible, it made us go the other way. To us, the examples stated above are just more stupidity, plain and simple. Giving the answer that you think you are supposed to give instead of the answer that matches what you actually believe is weak-minded; which is, to us, a clear sign of stupidity. Similarly, believing in things that are so contradictory and feeling no need to resolve these contradictions shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills; which is, to us, a clear sign of stupidity. Of course, some of these results could also be a sign of lack of knowledge about the topics being polled. To us, the fact that these people didn't answer "unsure" means they went with an answer they thought they should give. See above for our discussion of weak-minded behavior.
PZ makes a point about how trying to convince the religious believers of any facts that contradict their beliefs is not likely to be met with open arms:
It’s...there in the stereotypical Red Stater, who self-identifies as someone who goes hunting, watches football on Thanksgiving, works hard for a living, goes to church on Sunday, is sure America is the greatest country on the planet, and votes Republican - it’s all part of the picture. Trying to tease apart and change one piece threatens all the rest (Watch...soccer? Are you nuts? Next you’ll be wanting to take my guns away and make me take up flower arranging.) So, when I challenge the claims of his church pastor, I’m not just criticizing some arcane issue of abstract biology, I am battling the whole dang religious edifice plus the second amendment, the NFL, and America’s primacy in world affairs.
I don’t think this is stupidity. This is the way we all work. If you want to see another example of cultural trauma that doesn’t involve caricatures of rural conservatives, picture an academic told that he has to go find work in the private sector. That’s a case of massive world-view obliteration...although I do hear rumors that they eventually adjust.
Okay, but we do see this type of behavior as stupidity. Sure we all have this same built-in mechanism that urges us to keep our own view of the world and our place in it intact, but if someone is so averse to any form of critical thinking that they shun it entirely if it runs the risk of bumming their status quo high, then how can we not consider them to be pigheaded, narrowminded, and stupid?
Although we see where Burke is trying to go with the direction his letter proposes, reigning in science and stifling scientific communication to the public isn't something we would agree with. We are more in line with PZ's response, though we think he may be giving some of these morons too much of the benefit of the doubt.
In his letter, Burke goes on to say that if we do believe that people are this stupid, there are certain ramifications.
...your hypothesis seems to be, "They are all much dumber than me"... [and] if they're dumber on one thing, how can you regard their choices on other matters as legitimate? The purity of your position here leaves you with only 13% of your countrymen as people whose intellects seem to be functioning within your acceptable parameters. That's an argument you can in fact make, but then just be willing to take on board the necessary correlates: it means any political or social system that depends on mass participation is from your perspective grossly flawed.
As much as we may not want to believe it, this is a prospect that we may have to face. The real question is what do we do about it. We're not sure that any of us can definitively answer that question...
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