Calling all psychics, mediums, clairvoyants, spiritualists, and anyone else who wants a shot at the title: tell the world what happened to the missing girl in Aruba!

Perhaps we should explain. Despite the fact that our Rants on Allison DuBois are now almost three months old, they continue to receive a good number of hits. This is due primarily to the fact that we have been hovering between the second and fourth hit on a Google search for "allison dubois." In general, we are right behind Allison's site — a prospect that brings us no end of joy.

At any rate, we receive a wide range of comments from a wide range of people, and we make it our practice to respond, no matter how silly or outrageous the comment is. We recently received a brief comment from Joan Durhkoff in reference to Natalee Holloway, who has gone missing in Aruba:

HELP NATALAE HOLLOWAY'S PARENTS FIND HER.

We'd like to thank Joan for bringing this up. In case you don't know (or in case you are reading this long after the summer of 2005), teenager Natalee Holloway has been missing in Aruba for a few weeks now. At this point, the authorities suspect that she's dead, and have detained several people on suspicion of murder and kidnapping (some of the detainees have since been released).

Please understand that we are not attempting to make light of this situation — we sympathize with Natalee's family and would never try to take advantage of this terrible circumstance. However, we are aware that the alleged "magical superpower people" (that'd be the psychics and mediums and others of that type) have no such compunctions, and are quite happy to prey on the emotions of people like Betty Holloway Twitty — hence our challenge.

We'll assume that Joan's imperative isn't directed toward us since we never claimed to be able to help the professional investigators do their jobs. Nor do we think we could in this case, particularly with little (read: no) training in police work and, of course, not being anywhere near Aruba at the moment.

If this imperative is addressed to Allison...we agree wholeheartedly! Allison, and all you other "mediums" and "psychics" out there, here's your chance to really shine! Help us out — poor Natalee Holloway is missing, and you claim to be good at this stuff. So: what happened? Is Natalee alive or dead? If dead, how did she die? Where will she be found? Are those currently detained actually responsible for the crime? Give us some details, and we'll record them right here. Then, when the facts are known, everyone will be able to point to this site — a skeptical site — as proof of the efficacy of supernatural abilities. Boy, that'll show us! So go ahead and comment about what happened right here.

Natalee's mother has already consulted a psychic — and that apparently didn't pan out. We can guess that various other "psychics" and "mediums" have already chimed in on this case; or, if they haven't, they soon will. We can just hear them now: "She'll be found near water." Hey, pretty good guess, considering that she went missing on a fucking island. So none of that vague nonsense — we're looking for details.

So we're calling all psychics, mediums, clairvoyants, spiritualists, and anyone else who wants a crack. Fill in the details of Natalee Holloway's disappearance right here, and we'll see how you do. Note that we'll be checking answers against release dates of established facts, so if you give us today descriptions of the five detainees, we won't be impressed. Vague nonsense also won't carry you very far, so steer clear of "sensing great pain from her," and crap like that.

Oh, we know: "It doesn't work like that," and "We can't get specific details on demand," and "The spirits mumble sometimes," and "We might contact an evil spirit who tells us lies," and so on and so on. We don't want to hear it. Either you have a useful ability or you have something that's akin to guesswork, so spare us the excuses.

As usual, it's easy for these people to claim to have "helped in active investigations," but it isn't so easy to actually make a useful contribution. We'll see if we're proven wrong.

Bring it on!

I'll rise to the challenge. I'm having a vision right now... about this plea... The spirits say... No psychics will respond, but many will claim to have gotten the right answer after it's over.

Oh wait, I'm not psychic, I'm cynical.

Shawn, please feel free to take part. You have just as much psychic ability as all of the self-proclaimed psychics rolled into one. Besides, your prediction will probably have the highest chance of coming true!

I call upon those that speak from beyond:

http://www.newiq.com/services/webapps/randword.htm

"Signature, Anvil, Camera, Aerosol, Reporter, Pill, Drought, Siren, Pyramid, Alphabet"

Look at those hits! Reporters are definitely involved, and so are signatures, cameras, sirens, and the alphabet! Boy, that anvil sure sounds scary!

If I've learned anything from my wasted youth watching cartoons, it's that you should always be prepared for falling anvils.

Of course, you know the scariest part, Ron — when all the facts of the Natalee Holloway case are known, it'll be a piece of cake to come up with "meaningful" connections between your word list and those facts. Then we're going to have to give you a prize or something for your detailed, accurate predictions!

But Shawn still gets a prize, too, I'll bet.

Ooh! I want to play, too! Here are my random wo..., er, "predictions":

"Window, Motor, Shadow, Toupee, Ring, Crystal, Furniture, Vulture, Plant, Match."

Full of possibilities! And if all else fails, I can always say that I should have consulted my crystal for the real answer.

For good measure, I checked my crystal, and only got one word out of it: Swarovski.

Swarosvski!!! That settles it all. It's a well known fact that swarovski crystals can be repaired when dropped. See.... see... repaired... dropped... I'm sure there is a wealth of meaning there.

Too fun! I called upon the battling Virgo moon and the third star of Aries and got this premonition:

Taxi, Pocket, Magician, Map, Pin, Chord, Piano, Computer, Salt, Boiler.

Wait, as an astrologer, I have to add the words could, may, and might to all my predictions.

Piece o' cake. I predict she'll be found near Aruba, on land or perhaps in the sea, possibly deceased though alive is not totally ruled out. She will not be found in the air, nor in any transitive state between life and death.

Never let it be said THIS psychic doesn't offer definitive, concrete, checkable, falsifiable readings.

Hmmm... Nothing so far from the famous psychics. We started checking their sites to see if they mentioned Natalee, but we weren't able to find anything. Odd, that.

However, we did find the following incredible warning on Sylvia Browne's site:

Fraud Alert!: There is a woman claiming to be "Sylvia Browne from the Montel Williams Show", operating from a toll free telephone number. Sylvia Browne does NOT have a toll free "800" number. The only valid numbers to contact Sylvia Browne are (408) 379-7070 or (425) 255-9042. If you have called this woman and have paid for services, please call Sylvia Browne's office at (408) 379-7070!

Sylvia is warning us about a fraud pretending to be a psychic. Now that's a set of balls. Pot? Kettle? Black?

Wow.

"If you have called this woman and have paid for services, please call Sylvia Browne's office at "

Would have thought she'd have the prescience to stop this sort of thing from happening

Good point, Merlin. She should have "forseen" this with her awe-inspiring powers. Maybe I'd expect a warning like this:

Future Fraud Alert!: There will be a woman claiming to be "Sylvia Browne from the Montel Williams Show", who will operate from a toll free telephone number. Sylvia Browne will NOT have a toll free "800" number. Beware! The spirits have spoken!!

And a "psychic" predicts: http://www.underworldtales.com/aruba.htm

I believe Natalee was murdered.

I am 100% sure that the beach and water was involved

each time I saw Natalee she wore a light swimming suit

What, no anvil?!

Wow, that's some incredibly precise stuff from Marie St. Claire! Let's see:

Normally, I investigate historical cases only. I didn't even know if I could connect to this "new" of a case, but I thought I'd give it a try...

Yeah, we always find it much easier to connect to cases that are older since, you know, a lot of those are resolved already. We connected with the OJ Simpson case earlier today, and determined that he willen haven be acquitted. (Thanks go out to Doctor Dan Streetmentioner for the tricky grammar there.)

I'm very sorry to report that I believe that Natalee Holloway is dead.

Now that's going out on a limb. Let's see — all her stuff is in her hotel, and she didn't show up for her flight home. She was last seen going off alone with some locals, and she's missing on a small island. Are you sure you want to make such a bold prediction, Marie? Maybe she got involved in a twilight volleyball game and just lost track of time.

I heard something then, and I'm not sure how it fits into the case. I heard a male voice say: "Over here," and then, "Turn around." And then, more urgently: "Turn around!" Could it have been the killer speaking to someone else who was helping him hide the body? I don't know, but it's a likely explanation.

We have an alternate explanation for these voices. Perhaps Marie's neighbor was watching Predator really loud and she was just hearing Mac's lines as he removed the scorpion from Carl Weathers' back. But that's just us. Of course, we could answer this definitively if Marie also heard an Austrian-accented voice say "he's using the trees" during her vision.

However, during the connection, I saw Natalee running on the beach as if fleeing someone. ... I sensed that this man she was fleeing was angry at her. Somehow things had gotten out of hand that evening. I sensed that he didn't want her to leave him. He caught up with her and killed her. I believe he either choked or drowned her--maybe a mix of both. I also believe that sex was somehow involved--either they'd had sex that night or he'd raped her.

Wow! Amazing! So she was fleeing from someone who was angry at her, and he was chasing her because he didn't want her to leave? That's such a unique and improbable scenario! And she thinks that something sexual happened that night? That's quite a leap considering that it's been all over the news that Natalee was making out in the backseat of a car with one of the people being held. We stand in awe of these predictions.

We do notice that Marie makes her fatal flaw here, though. She indicates choking or drowning as the means of death, and leaves out bludgeoning. This has several disadvantages. First, in our opinion, bludgeoning is the other most likely cause of death given the likely circumstance (unplanned, drunk, and so forth). Second, as Ron notes, omitting that one leaves no room at all for the anvil to be involved. We're sorry, but that is just nonsense. We clearly made a connection with "anvil" days ago. Sheesh.

Here's the coup de grace: a description of the killer!

I briefly caught a glimpse of a man with a somewhat rough face, (acne perhaps).

Perhaps it was acne? What else might it have been? Stubble? Sand? Pocks? Shadows? Ugly spots? We'd like a little more precision here.

His forehead was broad but the face narrowed to his chin.

Holy shit, has Marie shared this with the authorities?! This is the case-breaker! The guy had a broad forehead, but his face narrowed to his chin! How many people could that possibly describe?! Get the sketch artist on the horn, we've got the killer!

He was a Caucasian with straight brown or dark hair. His eyes were dark. I believe he was young--under 30.

That probably only precludes non-caucasians and blondes. It also seems to sound a lot like one of the people who were detained early on. Odd, that.

I am 100% sure that the beach and water was involved as the visions centered around the water...

Amazing! This crime "involved" the beach and the water! And on an island, no less.

...and each time I saw Natalee she wore a light swimming suit (a symbol?).

A symbol, or perhaps a reference to the oft-seen posters which show Natalee in (gasp!) a blue beach outfit.

Later, Marie connected directly with Natalee, and asked for specifics, but darn those spirits, they never make it easy! She never got the details, and then Natalee hung up the ghost phone. Aw, shucks. So close.

Here's a forum with lots of "psychic" predictions about Natalee Holloway. Oddly, they don't seem to all fit with one another. In some cases, the body is going to be found buried, and in others it will be found in a house. In still others, she isn't dead at all (though there's no indication of where she is).

However, there are a few accounts in which bludgeoning is being predicted as the cause of death. Since this fits with the anvil connection above, I tend to believe these people more.

I also noticed that one person in this forum had used dowsing to anwer some yes/no/maybe questions, so I thought I'd give that a try as well. Since I'm not an accomplished, er, "dowser" I will use an online Magic 8 Ball instead:

Q: Is Natalee dead? A: Signs point to yes
Q: Is Natalee alive? A: Most likely
Q: Do any of those detained know what happened? A: It is certain
Q: Was an anvil involved? A: Very doubtful (awww)
Q: Was Natalee a female? A: You may rely on it
Q: Is Aruba an island? A: Very doubtful
Q: Was the ghost of Jack the Ripper involved? A: You may rely on it
Q: Is Natalee dead? A: Without a doubt
Q: Is my psychic kung fu strong? A: Yes definitely

Other than Aruba not being an island (the, uh, 8 Ball mumbled), I stand by these predictions. Notice how I'm covered whether she's alive or dead! Smart, huh? Also, that whole ghost of Jack the Ripper thing can never be disproven, so I'm safe there. The 8 Ball has spoken!

Of course, chance dictates that some of these forum predictions could turn out to be true, even some of the more specific ones. Then again, some of my 8-Ball predictions could be true as well (my psychic kung fu is strong, after all). It's all playing the odds, luck, and subjective validation.

Unless, of course, I am right in which case I'll start charging $500 for readings!

OK, here we go!
First of all, let me say that I'm not a professional psychic. However, I do have a theory which occured out of the blue, after studying the news breaks on this story for several days.

There are 4 people in custody (fact). Van der Sloot (17), two friends and Mr. Croes. This is way too many people and implies a "conspiracy" between these people.

If you can find the photo of Joran VDS and the two fellows of colour, look at J VDS photo closely. You will see evidence of non-symetry in his features. One eye is smaller than the other - one ear is shaped differently than the other. This indicates the type of neurological damage that is typically found in a great many serial killers who are sociopaths. Profilers look at this. (This does not mean that all people with skewed features are serial killers, but it's not uncommon.) Also mentioned were his two web sites that were taken down after his arrest. Among the pictures that were posted of him partying was, according to people who viewed it, a photo of him with a naked woman wearing a dog collar and leash. Pretty sophisticated for a 17 year old. Indicates an interest in S & M and bondage. This is also very reminescent of Paul Bernardo, who - with his lovely bride Karla Homolka - are the two most notorious Canadian killers of modern times. His arrogance, reported by Natalee's mom, also smacks of the same sociopathic attitude as Bernardo's.

This Canadian case has been back in the news lately because Karla is to be released soon, due to a plea bargain. That was made 12 years ago, when his lawyer found and kept the video tapes showing the both of them abusing their 2 teenage victims before killing them.

Which brings me to the video tapes. Bernardo was working on perfecting his video techniques, not just for his own perverse pleasure, but to sell them as SNUFF FILMS for huge bucks.

There is a huge, dirty, sick clientelle out there for this product. The CIA actually had a Black Ops service that sought rings dedicated to child pornography and snuff films. I heard an ex-CIA guyd that was part of this operation, can't remember his name, interviewed on Coast to Coast AM - he wrote a book about his part in tracking down people globally.

This brings me to the point - I believe these young perps were kidnapping and drugging (or not) young women to make porn and - possibly - snuff films. This is where I think the 26 year old comes in . . . Steve Crows - the DJ - who probably has enough technical experience with audio-visual to actually produce these types of films.

So, I think they may have offered to drive her to her hotel after the bar closed. One small error in judgement on her part. After that car door closed, her fate was sealed.

There have been suggestions that they gave her the date rape drug. This isn't the only way to incapacitate someone. The Bernardo's used a veterinary anesthitic - something like Halicion or halycion or something. You put it on a rag and hold it over the person's nose and they pass out. The Bernardo's used this method - leading to the death of Karla'a sister, their first victim (they were never tried for her death). She died from the chemical - drowned in her own vomit.

This or something very similar may well have happened to Natalee. I think they took her, drugged, to make either a bondage or snuff film. Maybe they only planned to fake snuff (a lot of snuff films are faked - some are not). Anyway, whatever their perversion, they ended up with a dead girl.

Steve Croes, being the senior person among those arrested, would then have assumed responsibility for dumping her body. Apparently, he has his own speed boat. He probably took her to the other side of the island and dumped her in the reputed "shark's den". One blog I read asked, "Wouldn't her clother have washed up on shore?" My response is, "What clothes?"

So, if this theory has any validity at all, there may be video's hidden somewhere - or maybe they dumped or burned those when the heat was turned up by the police. They were certainly given ample time to get rid of all evidence. (The Bernardo videos were eventually found behind a ceiling light fixture in the attic of their home. They were removed and kept secret by Bernardo's lawyer.)

The Aruban police are pathetic. I don't think they have any imagination. Why hasn't the party boat been seized and gone over with a fine tooth comb? It doen't sail on Sunday nights and the suspect Croes has a key access to it. How lame are those cops???

Keep in mind that these people are scum. (Joran Van Der Sloot wanted to be a JUDGE. Remember Ted Bundy? He wanted to be a lawyer. GREAT!!!)

We may never know what happened. In Aruba, apparently, no body - no crime - no trial. These scumbags may all walk. If they do, you can bet you'll eventually hear of Van Der Sloot and Croes again . . . there's no cure for their sickness.

This theory is based on years of trying to understand the criminal mind (re: abnormal psychology). If you're really interested in this topic, try reading "Hunting Humans". I don't remember the author's name, but he developed profiling for the FBI.

Why haven't the FBI published a profile? I'd love to know what they're not telling us.

This investigation is a farce. It's way too slow. They've blundered their way through and the trail has grown cold. They might as well be accomplices . . . they've given these low-life's every opportuniy to wiggle out of this by destroying evidence for days.

This is one of the most incompetent investigations I've ever heard of. I'm absolutely steamed about it.

Footnote: I agree that the media is biased toward pretty, white, middle-class women . . . that sucks! But, it still doesn't mean that we should just turn the page on this one. There's very little media on it in the last while . . . this story is rapidly becoming yesterday's news.

One more gripe - there was a hostage taking in Cambodia at an international school last week. A two-year old Canadian toddler was shot in the head for crying. This story did not appear on any of the U.S. news service websites that I visited. I happened to open the Ottawa Citizen web site the day it happened. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have heard about it. CANADIAN'S are people, too. This story was equally obscene. American's only seem to care about American's. It's a big, scary world.

Thanks for letting me get that out there.

Glad I'm in Arkansas - think I'll stay put!

linda said:

First of all, let me say that I'm not a professional psychic. However, I do have a theory which occured out of the blue, after studying the news breaks on this story for several days.

...and...

This theory is based on years of trying to understand the criminal mind (re: abnormal psychology). If you're really interested in this topic, try reading "Hunting Humans". I don't remember the author's name, but he developed profiling for the FBI.

Based on these statements, I think you're presenting a theory that you came up with via psychology, criminal profiling, and intuition as opposed to anything psychic or supernatural. Am I right in my assessment? If your postulations turn out to be correct to some degree, I'd like to know their origins.

Either way, it is perfectly acceptable here. I'm just curious, really. In brief, criminal profiling can be a valuable tool in law enforcement (as opposed to psychic "assistance"), even though some aspects of it are debated.

The lack of facial symmetry that you mention is interesting. For my part, I haven't seen many pictures of the guy in question, and those I have seen aren't detailed enough for me to say whether his features are off. I would imagine, though, that since the human brain "prefers" facial symmetry to be as high as possible in social interactions, that those whose features are asymmetrical might suffer in their social development, leading to repressed or at least varied cognitive development. I don't know how much study theories like this have undergone, but I am certainly aware of the theories.

Thanks, and please let us know.

Abandon interest in the notion that bilateral facial symmetry imbalances denote criminality. In fact, ALL human faces exhibit differences in facial symmetry, varying only in degrees. It is not at all indicative of "neurological damage" as Linda informs. Neurological damage affects cognition, not appearance. The notion that physical appearances indicate behavioral pathologies is very old and outdated. Think "phrenology".

As for facial symmetry, if you want to see a freak, find one of those websites where they take a picture of one side of a person's face and then 'flip' it over to create the other side of the face. Perfect symmetry is ugly.

Linda has woven a very fanciful theory from diverse snippets of hearsay, misinformation, dubious correlations, and speculation. That is her right, but for God's sake, do not call it a "theory". Theories are based on evidence. I cannot think of a more unreliable source of information that the Coast To Coast radio talk show.

The more parsimonious hypothesis doesn't require identifying the suspects with the Canadian killer couple, Ted Bundy, snuff films, etc., etc., none of which are in evidence.

Murder is a very common outcome when you get a vulnerable, naive, possibly intoxicated country girl totally out of her element and league alone with one or more sexually revved up male adolescent, also possibly intoxicated. Just these critieria are sufficient to lead to murder, and all the wild speculations about snuff films, minor facial imperfections, Ted Bundy, and some ex-CIA guy tellign tales on Coast To Coast are extraneous elements.

Simply saying "no" to sex is sufficient to push certain assailants over the edge towards murder.

If a date rape drug was used, the perpetrator(s) may have fell foul of a physiological effect called "synergism" wherein the addition of a strong sedative or narcotic to a body already intoxicated on alcohol multiplies effects exponentially, leading potentially to coma or death.

I hypothesize one of two likely scenarios, working with available info specific to the case:

1) One of the suspects, probably Van Der Whatever since he was seen making out with her, murdered her after she refused him sex, and the others are all accessories after the fact -helped him hide the body and cover up.

2) This turned into a gang rape wherein she was killed out of sexual/sadistic frenzy, or afterwards as a calculated desire to eliminate the only witness to their collective crime.

These two types of murder have a long history and are unfortunately very common. It is not necessary to invoke all sorts of wild scenarios, unless, of course, one isn't sufficiently entertained by the facts as they are.

How as that? Am I ranting? I'm trying to rant.

Grendel,

To be clear, I am not at all trying to say that any aspects of appearance can dictate the mental state of a person. What I am saying is that I am aware of the theories that people have a preference for symmetrical features when it comes to faces. Sadly I am in meetings all this week and I don't have much time for research, so I can't point to specifics right now, but I don't believe that the theory I'm talking about has been discredited. Of course, if it has been, I'd like to know about it. Sadly, the same meetings I refer to above also caused my earlier comment to be cut somewhat shorter than I intended it to be. I'll continue below.

Just because someone has asymmetric features (even fairly obvious ones) it doesn't follow that they will be a criminal. What I was referring to is the theory that, due to the preference for symmetry, such people might end up attracting fewer friends, being less successful, and being less socially adept. These are, of course, generalizations and not hard-and-fast rules. Such situations, when combined with other factors could lead to antisocial tendencies. I doubt that just having asymmetrical features by itself would be enough to drive a person to criminal tendencies, but it could by a contributing factor. That said, in the same sense simple ugliness could do the trick as well (which is basically what the theory says — that asymmetrical features are ugly).

One thing that I can recall without further research relates to the comment you made about websites that allow you to create facial symmetry where there was none on famous faces. Having done this (with Einstein, using both halves at different times), I seem to recall that the point wasn't that the preference for symmetry was false, but rather that if symmetry was introduced in a face that you already recognized, it wouldn't look right at all. I also believe that it was taking these steps in order to illustrate the often large deviations from perfect symmetry that many faces may have.

Regarding linda's general thoughts, I tend to think they are more complex than the final answer will be. In general, there is no mystery to crime, and the simple answers are usually correct. As you say, Grendel, this was likely a crime of passion or an incident in which too much force was used in the commission of other crimes inadvertantly resulting in her death. But that's just my theory, and it isn't based on much of anything given the limited evidence at the moment.

And as you know, you are 100% free to rant here. Hey, we don't like being the only ones ranting!

If you look at the kid in question, the Dutch kid, his degree of assymmetry is very small, barely noticeable, and in fact, I think most people would identify him as "a good looking kid".

It takes a considerable degree of physical deformity to reliably induce pathological behaviors, and those seen in the Dutch kid are no where near that degree. Furthermore, there are many attributes that can overrule or overcome, so to speak, any socially imparted deficit -like being a rich kid with an important Daddy on a small resort island paradise. 'Ugly' people can have their sense of self augmented by other attributes, such as athletic ability, musical talent, etc. You, of course, did mention that facial assymmetry is but one of many elements. I don't think it pertains whatsoever in this case.

RE: physical imperfection & criminality, there can be a "chicken & egg/which came first?" dynamic involved. By virtue of living a wild and/or violent criminal lifestyle, one will almost certainly acquire physical imperfections by virtue of scars, broken bones, etc., and from poor medical follow up on same.

There is also the fact that for every butt-ugly psychopath like Henry Lucas, there is a Pretty Boy Floyd or Ted Bundy. David Berkowitz looked like a CPA or science teacher. Where you see as many or more exceptions as rules, it is wise to suspect a correlation error.

Having said all that, I would point out that it most often doesn't really matter what others think, it matters what the person thinks of their own appearance, that what counts is their self-perception. I point to the pervasiveness of cases of aneroxia nervosa as perfect examples of situations where people who look totally normal and acceptable to others nevertheless decompensate into pathological behaviors based on their unwarranted negative self-image, their preception of self as repulsive, inhuman, or otherwise in need of drastic change merely to achieve basic normalcy of apopearance (in their own judgment).

To turn this into a more respectable rant, let me state my opinion that people who drive slow in the left lane because it is easier for them not to deal with those pesky mergers entering from the right ought to be rounded up and shot, then lined up and shot again, then pecked to death by ducks. Venomous ducks, if available.

Grendel,

I'd say that we are in complete agreement. To me, that Van Der Sloot kid didn't look all that ugly (but as I said, I've seen few photos of him), so it may not pertain at all in this case. I also agree that self perception is the important factor in any case where unattractive features causes social problems. Hell, the ugliest person in the world may have no social development problems at all if they have high self-esteem for other reasons. Of course there are many attractive criminals as well, so ugliness doesn't necessarily lead to criminal behavior, nor does attractiveness mean that someone is not a criminal. So, as I said, I think we are in agreement on all of the points.

Especially the one about people driving slowly in the left lane. If there is such a thing as a venomous duck, I will begin breeding them as soon as possible for this very purpose. Man, I hate those slow-driving left-lane people!

RE: Your duck-breeding scheme.....

Please note that it is illegal to have sex with ducks in most states, venomous or otherwise.

I tried horse breeding once, but wasn't nearly tall enough.

Hi,
Thanks for the insightful comments re: my prior entry.

I hadn't thought of phrenology in years. Let's shave his head !!!! (Just kidding.)

While searching for more news today about this story, I found a reference to Geraldo Rivera (God, forgive me for even bringing him up). It was dated the 14th of June and, apparently, he went on a fact finding mission to Aruba and was a guest on Bob O'Reily a few days ago. I didn't see or hear of this until today. (I don't have TV, we don't get a solid signal here in the mountains and I don't have cable.) Anyway, here's a copy of the text of the the blog I found:

"Did anyone see Geraldo Rivera on O'Reilly Factor tonight? Geraldo sure shed some light on Joran's past. Runs all over the island, has one of the nicest cars on the island even though hes not 18 yet, very well known at the school he went to. Gang-raped a fifteen year old and something in reference to trying to sell her to Venezuela. I was shocked. He also said that he was told from a reliable source that something to the effect that the police chief didn't want to pursue this Joran "his father is one of my best friends". "

And this on Scared Monkeys:

"Geraldo reported that they sold copies of a gang rape video of a 14 yr old girl while out at clubs. He stood behind it, so I don’t know if they have a copy or what. US media is pretty careful about false reports. "

Also, same site:

"Sometime last year, ther was an incident about a homemade porn movie involving a 14 year old….not a gang bang, but she did in fact have sex with different boys on the video/dvd….neither Joran or brothers were involved, but they may have copied and sold copies…ALOT of boys sold copies….. "

I hadn't seen anything about this when I went off on my "theory" rant, but, if anyone out there saw GR, what exactly did he say? Just curious.

This sort of behaviour is perfectly in keeping with the fast lane, gangsta, macho crap that Joran VDS wanted to act out.

Also, there was an American girl kidnapped in '98 named Amy Bradley. She disappeared from a cruise ship. When their ship was in Aruba, some guys on the boat wanted her to go to Carlos and Charlie's with them, but they were too creepy and she didn't go. Later she vanished. She is believed to be working in brothels in South America. One guy reported seeing her; said a young woman put her head in the curtain where he was and said, "I'm Amy Bradley, please help me." It took him a while to go to police. By the time they went there, she was gone.

This case is back in the news, since Natalee went missing. When I first heard about the possibility of her being taken away to South America, it seemed a bit far fetched to me, but I'm wondering now if there's possibility that might have happened.

One more thought about the facial features thing. For every sicko that it applies to, there are going to be many more people with the same thing going on who aren't sickos. For example, I'd rather have partied with the Elephant Man than this trio of losers that are in jail. Apparently, he was a nice guy.

By the way, Coast to Coast rules! I prefer George Noory and Art Bell to Geraldo any day.

Thanks,
Linda

Here's something that I thought you folks would like to rip to shreds. Someone has posted their use of Bible Codes (yes, really) to look for prophecies about this case in the Bible. Rather a long read. Followed by their use of tarot and runes and whatever.

We haven't had too many psychics on here, cause all the action is at:

http://www.revelation13.net/KingJames2c.html

Have fun with it! Later . . .

[Note: this took me a while to write, and linda has posted a few more comments since I started. I just want to acknowledge beforehand that I appreciate linda's contributions to our Rant. Don't take any of this too personally, linda!]

Before I have to start dodging poisonous waterfowl with Grendel's arms and Tom's trademark quizzical expression, I just want to chime in here and clear something up.

I can see why Tom's original response to linda might be misinterpreted — since I misinterpreted it myself earlier today! But later I realized why his true opinions didn't come through crystal clear. See, since he's the "sane" one, the one with "tact" and a sense of "decorum," he was a little too polite to linda, which might have made it seem as if he was endorsing her ideas — at least, that's how I saw it before discussing it with him.

linda, no real offense meant (hey, we're all pseudonymous, faceless netsurfers here!), but I didn't find your analysis of the Natalee Holloway case to be particularly workable. You've essentially replaced the typical "psychic fluff" we were expecting in this thread with "pop psych fluff" — but fluff is still fluff.

One really outrageous claim is the one linking physical asymmetry to any mental imbalance or predilection for criminal behavior. As Grendel and Tom already said, there's really no evidence of causation there. I recall reading (long ago) exactly what Tom stated — that we are naturally more attracted to symmetrical as opposed to asymmetrical faces. This makes sense biologically, perhaps, as bilateral symmetry is apparently a pretty big deal among vertebrates (I've consulted a few). Perhaps perfect symmetry indicates healthier genetic material, and this sends signals through our primitive brains that flash: "Attractive!" But the idea that asymmetry is an automatic "turn-off" seems, to me, to be stretching the hypothesis a little. Keep in mind, asymmetry includes your usual scars and broken noses and such — quirky little characteristics which I've found to be something of a turn-on to most people I've met.

(Since I started writing this, linda has responded and pointed out that the asymmetry hypothesis doesn't really hold up. And linda, I agree — I'd hang with Joe Merrick rather than Joran Van Der Sloot any day of the week.)

If anyone thinks that a little BDSM is "pretty sophisticated for a 17 year old" these days, they might need a reality check — we live in a society where twelve-year-olds are having rainbow parties, for fuck's sake. (You don't have to believe Oprah, but I've spoken with a reliable twelve-year-old who confirmed it.) I also think that comparing a teenager's "arrogance" and interest in alternative sexual practices to a couple of sociopathic killers is a bit of a stretch.

Most of the rest of linda's analysis is a collection of far-fetched links between entirely unrelated factors. One of the young men is a DJ with "technical experience with audio-visual," therefore they were making porn or snuff films. Van Der Sloot "wanted to be a JUDGE" and Ted Bundy "wanted to be a lawyer," therefore Van Der Sloot must be just as deranged as Ted Bundy.

Hey, Tom's a fantastic video editor, and I'm obviously pretty disturbed...so we must be conspiring to create pornographic snuff films, too! Right? Our resident legal advisor must be really fucked up since she wanted to become a lawyer! Right? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

Now, all that said, could linda's predictions be right on the money? Sure, absolutely! But it's like our teachers always demanded in math class — you have to show your work, not just get the right answer. And in my opinion, linda's guesswork just doesn't hang together well enough to offer a solid hypothesis. If I hadn't been so busy with other matters lately, I would've said so earlier.

However, I will say that linda raised some good points regarding media bias and Americocentrism. The media's bias towards pretty white princesses should not make us ignore pretty white princess Natalee Holloway's plight; and it is indeed a sad fact that the American media concentrates on American news, neglecting important events that happen elsewhere and to non-Americans. Unfortunately, it comes down to the media being in business largely to make money, and most Americans want to hear about Americans. Hey, suicide bombing is practically a daily occurrence in the Middle East, but it doesn't get remotely the same amount of coverage as the September 11th attacks on our own people and our own soil did.

So thanks for pointing those out, linda. Don't let my personal opinion of your detective work keep you from making good contributions — a little disagreement always makes for a spicier Rant!

My initial response was totally in reply to Linda's post, BTW, not to Tom's.

I suspect Linda has arrived at her conclusion first and is picking and choosing among assorted data to build a case for that conclusion after the fact.

Linda...please... enjoy Coast To Coast for entertainment value, but for Dog's sake, do NOT rely on any information you may hear from that source. Ditto: Geraldo. He is less journalist or newsman than that most unctuous of vocations -a TV Personality. "Media" and "ethics" have been rendered pretty much mutually exclusive over the last thirty years, driven apart by the push for the Big Scoop, Ratings, and Profit.

As stated elsewhere, when I become Ruler Of The Cosmos, there WILL be changes. Good news: a janitor on Altair IV has died of a hearts attack and I have just moved up into position 4,928,445,312,767 in the line of succession for ROTC.

Exxxxxxxxxcellent!

Tom said:

I also agree that self perception is the important factor in any case where unattractive features causes social problems. Hell, the ugliest person in the world may have no social development problems at all if they have high self-esteem for other reasons. Of course there are many attractive criminals as well, so ugliness doesn't necessarily lead to criminal behavior, nor does attractiveness mean that someone is not a criminal.

I think you both danced around something that's relevant to the discussion and makes alot more sense than facial asymmetry as a cause for criminal behavior.

A few years back, in the 80s, some nice folks put forth the idea that children should be given nice big shots of unfounded self-esteem to keep them from becoming criminals. So if they failed, they got as much praise as when they succeeded. In the 90s, scientists at Case Western Reserve University and University of Virginia did studies to see what the actual effects were and how they compared to career criminals. (I didn't find the actual study write-ups, they may be out there.) What they found is that criminals have REALLY high self-esteem. In fact, they think so well of themselves that they don't think they have to follow the laws.

Now, compare that to the ugly/pretty criminal argument.

Ugly people could be ostracized enough to become psychotic, without a doubt. However, I'm more inclined to believe they'll just find themselves at Star Trek conventions than killing people, on the whole. (I'll ignore the latest articles on pedophiles all being Sci Fi fans, since they're hearsay.) IMHO, most of the time the self-esteem gets low and no psychotic break occurs. You get mousy little people hanging out with other mousy little people.

On the flip side, let's look at the "average" pretty life. Lots of friends, social inclusion, and so on. How many of the folks in that crowd get into trouble with the law in their youth? Quite a few with drinking, drugging, and other rowdiness. Group behavior testing the bounds of social behavior. Extend that to adulthood, and look at... oh... let's say... Basketball stars. These guys have been pampered and coddled, in many cases, all their lives. They get whatever they want, because their play equals money.

How many basketball players have had run ins with the law as a percentage of the total number? How many geeky Star Trek fans? I don't know, but anecdotally, I'd say the basketball players are winning the bad behavior award.

How does this compare to Joran Van Der Sloot? Based on my half ass research into this story, he's a wealthy kid, from a privileged family, who's got decent looks. There's first hand accounts of alcohol use and partying. There's a videotape of a 14 yr old, him, and a series of his friends having sex with her. There's a reference to the cops not wanting to mess with the kid, although I'm not sure how much weight to put on that. How likely is it that this kid who's got money and good looks has a high self-esteem? What are the odds that someone who's already pushed the bounds of social rules (the videotape), would be willing to do it again with Natalee Holloway? What are the odds that if it went wrong, he would feel he could get away with making her disappear?

Obviously, all circumstantial. All based on generalizations. I'm not saying that JVDS did anything. I just think that the issue is not appearance and psychotic breaks, but self-esteem and certitude that you can do no wrong.

Of course, I could be wrong, I've been wrong before.

(WARNING: APPEAL TO AUTHORITY AHEAD)

As a holder of a Ph.D in Forensic Psychology and over twenty years direct experience with treating criminal offenders, I will say only that "self-esteem" is not something easily measured. There is no empirical x ray or MRI test, obviously.

It is exceedingly easy to mistake simple bravado and machismo for self-esteem. The most common personality disorder by far among criminals is the antisocial personality disorder. Its symptoms are easily mistaken for self-esteem.

'Self-esteem' is one of those poorly defined elements that is bandied about quite a bit, but in reality, it is identifiable primarily in its absence -you know when someone doesn't have it, but a positive ID as 'self-esteem' and nothing else, such as bravado, machismo, cockiness, etc. (or other traits just as likely to exist for coping with and covering a decided lack of self-esteem) is very difficult to measure for accuracy.

You do not understand channeling. Everyone has a 6th sense (Even you. You were aware your sarcastic blog would be rated high in Google so you pursued it.) You might take a look at my site at www.mythforlife.com. I list a prediction for Natalee Holloway as well as RESULTS for the quarterly predictions. You might want to look at the entry about what psychic channeling is and where a channel gets their information. It gives skeptics something a little more practical to review and make a decision about whether they believe in channeling or not. Channeling does have a scientific basis. There are dedicated people as well as hacks in every industry.

We took a shot at it with EVP.
What the heck. Feel free to cut us down if
that's your thang, we're used to it....ha!
Charli

Um, post-dating prophesies has a long and ignoble history. See "Tamarra Rand" who actually FILMED her prediction that President Reagan would be shot... TWO FULL DAYS AFTER IT HAPPENED!

OK, she claimed, as the above channeler does, that the correct prediction occurred before the actual event, but closer scrutiny revealed otherwise.

I don't care what anyone's website says *afte*r the prediction has miraculously come true.

Darn, my prediction failed. Psychics posted.

Oh wait, no they didn't. They're not psychics, they're a channeler and an EVP freak. Which clearly isn't the same as psychics (by the transitive property of addition). My prediction holds true.

Oh, and they're claiming predictive succes, so that part of my vision is true as well.

DAMN I'M GOOD!

First off, congratulations to Shawn on having such amazing supermagical powers! Ooh! Shawn, you might just win this competition — and with victory comes our undying devotion to mentioning that you've won. But not much else, sorry.

Dragonstar — we have to say, we're entirely baffled by your site. We can't tell if you're seriously offering up EVP samples as "real" phenomena, or if you're parodying the people who do it.

If it's a parody, hey, pretty damned funny! (We especially like the "EVP is coming out of the Krups" bit.)

If you're serious...well, no need to cut you down. We've already pretty thoroughly cut down EVP in an earlier Rant. Our previous observations concering the "phenomenon" still stand — EVP is utter silliness. Read our earlier Rant if you want to understand why.

We tried to read what you had to say in this specific case, but as of 6:20 pm (EST) on Thursday evening, the page you linked to was almost entirely blank. We saw content there earlier, but it has inexplicably disappeared. So, well, sorry — we can't point to the specific silliness you had to offer. Let us know if you fix it — we love a good laugh as much as the next guy.

Miraclist — we'll get to your presumptuous ass in just a bit.

I am retracting my Prediction on the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway on
www.mythforlife.com. It is a true and correct reading and time will prove it be so. I have a very high rate of correct predictions and I am willing to document them as such every month on my web site (which other psychics would not do). I have never asked for money for my readings and put the prediction on a public web site FREE of CHARGE for everyone to see hoping to be part of a solution. But the constant barrage of negative, sarcastic feedback on sites such as Scared Monkeys, Skeptico, and the Two Percent Company that the prediction was “eerie”, The psychic is “spooky”, the psychic is a gold digger, and psychic predictions are a scam has led me to see that my other predictions are true. This society of people is doomed. They do not understand the concept of group participation. They do not believe in miracles. They cannot see past their own selfish, pragmatic, mindset. They do not understand the premise that when two or more people gather together with a positive outcome in mind, it BECOMES a psychic experience of linked minds and miracles do happen. All I see in this situation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is misinformation, a fractured methodology, and chaotic approach by everyone. The Bloggers will go on insulting people and being rude, arguing and being sarcastic. This means, at its essence, that Bloggers become part of life’s problem. So the world is watching and waiting. Let’s see if Bloggers solve the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Miraclist,

"...and I'm taking my ball and going home!"

Aww, poor you. Hey, you chose to come here and comment on our site. What did you expect us to do? Agree with your razor-sharp logic and admit the folly of our rational ways even though you have no proof at all to support your claims? Get a grip.

We didn't even get a chance to point and laugh at you yet, and already you've started whining about how terrible and unfair we are. That must be a new record. All we've done thus far is call you "presumptuous" (in reference to your assumptions about us) and you're declaring us a part of the downfall of society! Don't you think you're being just a tad melodramatic here?

We never said that your prediction was "eerie," or that you were "spooky" or a "gold digger." In fact, we don't think any of those things that you seemed to ascribe to us (more presumptuousness, it seems). In short, we got a good laugh out of your lame and silly "predictions." Try not to get your panties in a bunch until we have a more complete commentary available.

We've been really busy lately (you know, with that "pragmatic" thing called "real life"), but rest assured we are working on a response to your earlier comment. And since you still stand by the accuracy of your Natalee Holloway predictions (and since we copied and dated them for future reference), we will still address them as part of our response. Then you can demonize us and whine about us being unfair non-miracle-believers all you want.

M'kay?

can any one give me natalee holloways exact birth date , birth time and location of the place of birth i think i can help

Okay, Miraclist, here we go. With all the crap you've dropped on our site, we thought we should reply sooner rather than later. That way, you can justifiably whine about how mean we are. Of course, we haven't even gotten to your "predictions" about the Holloway case yet. We'll get to those as soon as we can in a future reply. And don't worry — we copied them down the other day.

First off, we're guessing that you didn't utilize your prodigious channeling abilities when you wrote your comments, since the assumptions you made about us are completely incorrect. Allow us to correct you using the effective source of information known as actual knowledge. We'll start with your first comment above:

You do not understand channeling.

Bzzzt! Wrong. We understand channeling just fine. We know what it is — it is bullshit. We know what it is supposed to be — it is supposed to be the use of a host body through which another entity is focused or "channeled," such as a ghost, an alien, another person, or a "higher self." We can contrast this with mediumship (which is also bullshit) which is supposed to be acting as a go-between (or "medium") between the physical (or "real") world and some other (or "fake") place. Of course, you may have decided to redefine the term "channeling," for all we know, but that is the generally accepted definition of channeling.

Everyone has a 6th sense (Even you. You were aware your sarcastic blog would be rated high in Google so you pursued it.)

Actually, everyone does have a sixth sense, since — at last count — human beings possess at least nine senses. (Educate yourself: Wikipedia is a good place to start.) But since we know that's not what you were talking about, we'll just call you wrong again. We have no special power to sense anything in a paranormal or supernatural fashion. We certainly have the mental ability to make logical connections, we have creativity, and we have intuition, none of which are at all mysterious. You are also wrong when you suppose that we were "aware" that our blog entry would be ranked high on the Google search list. In fact, a few hours before your comment we had just realized that we are ranked #2 on a Google search for "natalee holloway psychic," and we were quite surprised. More importantly, we never write anything with a high search rank in mind — we write what we believe, whatever the ranking; it doesn't matter to us. Sorry.

You might take a look at my site at www.mythforlife.com. I list a prediction for Natalee Holloway as well as RESULTS for the quarterly predictions.

Oh, we will! We'll address that in our next comment, don't you worry.

You might want to look at the entry about what psychic channeling is and where a channel gets their information. It gives skeptics something a little more practical to review and make a decision about whether they believe in channeling or not.

As we said, we already understand channeling. Please don't assume that our beliefs are based on zero research or zero evidence, just because your beliefs fall into that bucket. We've already made an informed decision — channeling is bullshit.

Channeling does have a scientific basis. There are dedicated people as well as hacks in every industry.

Wow, that was so original! We never hear some quack or "psychic" claim their bullshit has a scientific basis. We love seeing shit like this. "My silly belief is science, really!" If we had a dollar for every time we've seen that statement...followed by absolutely no proof to back it up...we'd be flying our private jet to your house to deliver this message. Channeling has no scientific basis at all, and unless you have some actual proof that you can point to, we suggest that you try to avoid statements like that one. Hell, we can say "the flat earth theory has a scientific basis," but that doesn't mean that the earth is flat. See what we mean?

Also, whether the practitioners of a given discipline (and we use the term very loosely here) are "dedicated" or "hacks" means absolutely nothing with regard to the validity of the discipline itself. There are dedicated lawyers, and hack lawyers, but the status of their dedication or skill doesn't affect the reality of the field of law. And being "dedicated" doesn't mean that someone is "correct." We know lots of "dedicated" Christians; but at the end of the day, the Christian god is a myth.

Now we'll move on to the second comment you left (the one in which you were really whiny and petulant), and look at a few of those statements:

I am retracting my Prediction on the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway on www.mythforlife.com. It is a true and correct reading and time will prove it be so.

Well, that's nice and all, but since you are still saying that it is accurate, we'll still address it in our next reply. Sorry, no "taking down" your statements if you're still, so to speak, supporting them.

I have a very high rate of correct predictions and I am willing to document them as such every month on my web site (which other psychics would not do).

We beg to differ. Nah, we don't beg — we just differ. We used the Wayback Machine to check out some of your past predictions, as posted on your website. Admittedly, we didn't waste a huge amount of time doing this, but maybe that's because of what we saw. Predicting that George Bush would win the election even though Kerry would win the debates is not what we would call a "stretch." We were saying the same thing before the debates, and our predictions were based on knowing that Bush is an idiot, but that he had a nearly unstoppable campaign strategy, as well as good old Karl Rove, the dirtiest motherfucker in politics, who was willing to do anything to win. Likewise, predicting that the Governator would win the California election wasn't too difficult either. Who else was going to win in a media-dominated state (and country)? Mary Carey, the porn star? Diminutive has-been Gary Coleman? Shit, most people were predicting the outcomes you "channeled" — and despite what you may think, they did so with no "psychic" abilities whatsoever. Then there are the predictions that we saw that are just plain false. How about "Scot Peterson Goes Free"? Turns out, that's bullshit. Then there's "Kobe Bryant Convicted of Sexual Assault." Hmmm...nope. We could go on, but we'll leave that exercise to our readers. Hey, maybe some of them have hours to kill laughing at your supposedly "very high rate of correct predictions," but for our dime, that claim is utter bullshit.

I have never asked for money for my readings and put the prediction on a public web site FREE of CHARGE for everyone to see hoping to be part of a solution.

That's nice. What that means to us is that you probably really believe in your own abilities as opposed to being one of the predators who simply fake it to make a buck. That makes you a nicer person, but it doesn't make your "powers" real. Sorry.

But the constant barrage of negative, sarcastic feedback on sites such as Scared Monkeys, Skeptico, and the Two Percent Company that the prediction was "eerie", The psychic is "spooky", the psychic is a gold digger, and psychic predictions are a scam has led me to see that my other predictions are true.

First of all, as we said above, at the time you left this comment, we hadn't said a damned thing about your predictions. Nothing at all. Second, who referred to you or your predictions as "spooky" or "eerie"? It certainly wasn't us — we don't think they are either of those things. We think they are silly, lame, pathetic, and deluded, but not spooky or eerie. We can't speak for Skeptico, but a quick look at his post on the Holloway case doesn't even turn up any mention of you, let alone those terms. So it appears that now you are having trouble even predicting what has already happened. That's a pity since that seems to be your stock in trade.

We would also mention that we never referred to you as a gold digger, nor did we imply in any way that you were even collecting money for your predictions. As we said above, though, that lack of avarice certainly doesn't prove that your powers are real.

This society of people is doomed. They do not understand the concept of group participation. They do not believe in miracles. They cannot see past their own selfish, pragmatic, mindset. They do not understand the premise that when two or more people gather together with a positive outcome in mind, it BECOMES a psychic experience of linked minds and miracles do happen.

Yes, we're all doomed because we rely on science, reason and logic instead of blindly believing in loads of silly nonsense. Wake up. It is precisely the widespread belief in bullshit (including religion) that is responsible for society becoming a mass of intellectual dimwits and uneducated morons. And we'll gladly accept the moniker of "pragmatic," but "selfish" we are not. Quite frankly, we have no idea how you came up with that idea about us, but it's dead wrong. What about our position shows you that we are selfish? Is it our oft-stated position that everyone should be free to live their lives as they see fit as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others? Please explain — we're dying to know. Oh, maybe your "higher self" told you that and there are no details, hmmm?

Also, the act of people getting together with a "positive outcome in mind" does not a psychic experience make. Where the heck do you get that idea from? Does that mean that if we have people over to watch the baseball game and drink beers with the outcome in mind that our team will win then that's a psychic experience? That makes so little sense, we won't even address it any further.

All I see in this situation in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is misinformation, a fractured methodology, and chaotic approach by everyone. The Bloggers will go on insulting people and being rude, arguing and being sarcastic. This means, at its essence, that Bloggers become part of life’s problem. So the world is watching and waiting. Let’s see if Bloggers solve the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Where the fuck do you get the balls to lob accusations like this at us? First of all, the misinformation, fractured methodology, and chaotic approach are all a result of people like you sticking your noses into something that you know nothing about. If we looked at all of the psychic predictions about Natalee, we'd see just about every possible outcome represented. Therefore, by default, almost all of it is pure misinformation. We can hardly think of a more fractured methodology or a more chaotic approach than that. So, if you want to stop the misinformation, then stick a sock in the mouths of all of the "helpful psychics" who are weighing in, starting with yourself.

Secondly, we freely admit that we are rude when people deserve it. But we hadn't even addressed your comments when you started being rude to us. So now we feel very justified in saying that you can go fuck yourself.

Third, the "bloggers" never claimed to be able to help find Natalee Holloway — you did. You made that claim by posting on our site that you have information about Natalee Holloway, and we are examining that claim. We never made any such claim. In fact, we freely admit (as we did in our original post, above) that we have no ability to assist law enforcement in doing their job. It's time that you did the same. But no, you'd rather toss out a bunch of useless, random information, and then feel like you "helped." Well, it just doesn't work that way, sister. So rather than trying to evade your failure to provide any useful details of this crime by telling us that we can't do something that we never claimed to be able to do, why don't you just admit that your "powers" are bullshit? But no — no matter how wrong you are, you'll never do that, will you? Who's the selfish one here?

As we said, we'll address your actual "predictions" about the Holloway case in a separate reply. Stay tuned!

Ankur wrote:

can any one give me natalee holloways exact birth date , birth time and location of the place of birth i think i can help

Jesus Christ on a stick, I hope you're joking, Ankur. Just in case you're serious, I'll go on the record as saying that we do not have the information you have requested about Natalee.

But have no fear! If you can't use astrology, I can recommend a good Chinese restaurant that you can visit, and perhaps you can apply the fortune cookies to the case. Hey, same thing, right?

I've been channeling Albert Einstein and he says Miraclist is full of shit, and that all the spirits give him bad info as a joke.

this site sucks

Thanks for the stimulating commentary, penis. For your next trick, how about you piss off?

In case it wasn't clear from the trackback above, our analysis of Miraclist's "predictions" about the Natalee Holloway case are now in their own post. Click on the link in the trackback immediately above this comment to check it out.

I certainly never said that the prediction was "eerie", the psychic is "spooky", or the psychic is a gold digger.

However, I make one prediction - Miraclist will not admit she has no psychic powers, but when Natalee is found she will claim her predictions about it were correct.

How to be a psychic:

1) Shoot arrow

2) Draw target around arrow

Hello,

I found this one Riehl World View:

Beginning:
am giving the location of where Natalie maybe located. As a psychic trying to help.They did go to the light house as they said Then they went to park mentioned below . l I believe the she is located in Arikok National park in the area surrounding the 1. Prins Plantation 2. 200 feet from the road 400 feet from a trail. Her head is facing South/West. 3 There are 3 scrub like bushes next to her She is buried under three feet in depth. 4. People that were looking for her passed by and missed where she was buried by 50 feet The area is smooth hump and can not be noticed as being a grave site.. 5. the 17 year old hurt her but the others where there She died at the hands of the 17 year old white male. She died at a turn off road parking lot for a trail head. The two brothers where there and had their way with her. 6. The two black males had nothing to do with the crime.and should be let go. If you have been following my blogs on other sites I had said that the two Black males were not involved in this crime. I hope that this information will help in the investigation and you pass it on to the people that can use this information. I know there are the sceptics out there who blieve she is in south america or other parts of the world. The reality is she is not longer with us here. If you are interested in what happ